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assault. couldn't return a charge for involuntary manslaughter. couldn't return for criminally negligent homicide. this grand jury couldn't return a charge for wreckless endangerment of human life. this grand jury couldn't even see fit to charge this officer with a misdemeanor. what more does america need to see? i'm struggling because i'm also a father of two young african-american boys. and i don't know what to say. about what is happening in this country right now. we're better than this as a country. so i'm product proud to stwanans
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to ask the department of justiceis to commence a civil rights investigation into the death of eric gardener. we renew the recall of the department of justiceis to step in today and commence an immediate investigation. the family of eric garner deserves justice but we've got a problem that america has to confront. we can't run away from this problem. any further. we don't understand how the grand jury could have arrived at this result. that is why we want the department of justiceis to move forward in a fair and comprehensive investigation so we can get to the truth whaf happened so there can be some accountability for the death of eric garner.
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congressmen zblx we want to make it clear this is not a black problem. this is a problem we have in our great country. the cancer of racial segregation carries over from slafr slavery. it is soenl in recent years we had civil rights or voting act. until all america recognizes that america can't achieve its greatness until it first admits to this problem. it is not new york, stnot ferguson. it is a feeling people are raised to feel against men of color, especially young black men of color. that is why the national effort by the department of justice, is so important. because they have statistics to show a young black guy has a 21%
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higher rate of a white guy of getting killed. these things have to be brought together. we have to acknowledge we have a problem and work on it. the second thing is what congressmen jefferys has said, you don't have to be a lawyer to know, a human being was killed. he was surrounded by policemen. no one else touched him. and the grand jury did not say that he committed suicide. they didn't say what happened. that's why it is important that the district attorney has an obligation to bring the facts to new york and the american people to see how they could have possibly stretched the imagination to reach that decision and more importantly to find out which side was the district attorney on. was he seeking truth and justice
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or was he there to protect those people that were charged, at least in the hearts of many, to have a homicide. and so i cannot find a bright site to this terrible situation but i know until we face up to what it is, until we recognize that not having a black president has resolved the problem at all, until we know that minorities being elected to local state and federal offices is not a resolution of the problem, until we recognize that the color of one's skin depends on how their future lives are going to be or whether or not they're going to live at all. so i do hope that the department of justice gives americans an opportunity to take this cancer and cut it out once and for all.
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>> congressmen jose' serrano. >> i want to echo my colleagues, the fact is this is a miscarriage of justicjustice. i heard that the grand jury was looking for intent to kill. well, what does that mean, that if i kill you in a moment of anger or hate or whatever, it wasn't intentional and therefore i'm okay. something happened. a person died and the medical examiner in new york said it was a homicide and the grand jury could not find reason. >> you are listening to new york lawmakers reacting to the breaking news this hour. just moments ago found out a grand jury voted not fwroibring
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charges against an officer who killed a man by choke hold. this coming after a different jury handed down a no chew bill regarding unarmed team michael brown. this has inflamed tensions between the new york city police department and the community it is tasked to protecting of the protesters in new york is not as sizable as in missouri. unlike brown, garner's death was captured on tape and he could be repeatedly heard saying i can't breath, i can't breath. the only officer to testified saying this. i became a police officer to
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help people and is never my intention to harm anyone. the other officers in the arrest have been given immunitiy. thank you gentleman for joining us. ifs let me talk first just about the likelihood that another grand jury would hand down another no true bill. we have statistics the likelihood of them not returning a grand jury indictment is 1 in 11,000 what then are the odds of in the span of two weeks handing down two no true bills. >> i suppose they are low. particularly when you have a video. this was ruleland homicide. that means the actions you see on the video from a medical perspective caused the death of the individual. >> yeah. >> why is that legally important, because that finding,
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that it was a killing, not just a death, is one of the handful of elements you need to proceed to trial. where the officer will get his day in court and you have a much higher standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. which we all know. what is frankly shocking about the news today, i cover this stuff and try to be fair in the law because there's always two sides or more. but the question here is not, was this murder, the question is very narrow, was there enough evidence that this homicide might constitutes a crime that could go to trial. >> right. >> and it is hard to look at the video of an unarmed man, an apparent choke hold being admin is itered, which is banned under nypd rules and then look at that achb and say that's a homicide. let's go on and give this person
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a day in court. even if you were sympathetic to the police perspective, as so many americans are, because these police officers risk their lives, go to court and make your case. i think what is so concerning here and why i see reports of people frustrated and raising these questions, is, well, we'll never have an open day in court in a local trial. the feds can look separately. the types of charges they were looking at were not necessarily murder, but lower charges like manslaughter, negligent homicide. >> which is important to say were also potential charges f darren wilson. >> do you think someone was strangled on that video. do you think there was evidence enough to require us to go court and look at someone, it is hard
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to say no probable cause. >> it is pointed out how shocking from a legal context that this was a no true bill but socially and culturally programs not so surprising that a white policeman killing an unarmed black man not indicted, can we use this as a starting point it discuss this case, is it a turning point for us as a country? >> i hope so so. for i agree that the evidence is so compelling that to not see an indictment is challenging to reckon si yooon siel with a cou trying to protect its sit zengs. i think 99% of the time there is an indictment between the grand jury but much leer with a police
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officer and even lower if it is a police officer with a minority. we have a presumption of guilt we assign to african-americans in this country, you look at international de incidents, not just ferguson, but all over the country, if a young black man asked imperfectly he can kill you. that is a presumption of guilt and dangerousness, it very much resides with our society's failure to talk about rarcial n injustice that we have never confronted. people acted this way with immunity at lynching all across this country and even during the civil rights era, they were
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never held accountable. we have never talked about how we have failed to hold people accountable if the victim is a young person of color. it's almost as if you can only be an offender and not a victim. that's the narrative we have to confront if we're going to change the reality for young people of color. >> indeed it is one chapter in a continuing history. >> and the legal application of that is, garner was not suspect here. >> that is really important caveat. >> you forget, he's not the suspect in the homicide, he's the victim in the homicide. >> right. tremaine, i know you're on site in statton islande, can you giv us a sense of how the community is dealing with this. you've been in ferguson. this is a huge surprise for a lot of folk who's were
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inskpektiinskpekexpects an -- lot of folks were expecting some kind of indictment. >> there wasn't a sieging anger, there was a sense of hopelessness. i spoke to a 23-year-old father with his 1-year-old daughter said he hopes she would inherit a more just america but that hope has faded with these recent decisions. eric garner got lost around the ferveor in ferguson, missouri. but here in stanton island it hasn't been lost.
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prosecutor has made the request to allow some of the information public. on the ground all they have is the video of the police officer with his arm around garner's neck with garner saying repeatedly i can't breath and then you see the body go limp. that's what the people are left with. they are there left with no indictment, all summer, a string of cases across america where unarmed black men have been killed with little accountability. that's where we are right now. this is still early. there are days and weeks of protests that i'm sure will go on and protesters have assured me will take part in. on the ground they are at a lost. >> you bring up a important developing thread, which is the da has made a request to get a release of the grand jury transcripts. one of the things about the darren wilson grand jury that
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has left people very distressed and given rise to complex feelings around that verdict is the release of those transcripts, seeing how witnesses were grilled for michael brown but for witnesses for darren wilson were not. talk to me a little bit about the likelihood that we're going to have, we're going to get these transcripts, and what that means for grand jury's going forward. >> that's breaking news this hour of the da making an unusual request on the law of this state, he says he needs affirmative court action. you don't need to be a lawyer to say this is messed up, this doesn't seem fair. yet that is a separate piece of the case that could be good for reform. we are also getting a statement over the wire saying today
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outcome is what nobody wanted. shows the mayor is concerned about this. in ferguson you had all these political problems in management in a sense of desperate leadership and new york city has the more liberal. and a man that many republicans point to, their words not mine, the most liberal executive in the country, okay, how systemic are these problems if it is not just ferguson. this is important for all americans wake up to. this is not just in the south. >> blien let me ask you, the wall street journal, not accused ever of being a bafton of
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liberalism, did a study around people who are killed by police officers and the journal headline is hundreds of police killings are uncounted in federal statistics. asking the question when cops are killed there's a personal count why is it not true for the other ledger, how do you read the duality. >> i think one of the problems is we have officer who's are not used to dealing with over coming the racial bias that makes it so hard when people of color are victimized. we saw it in zimmerman, with michael brown and i think we will see it here, it has to do with close relationship between police and prosecutors. prosecutors rely on the police to do their jobs and they need close intimate relationships.
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the reason many are calling for the justice department is that particularly in these kind of cases you need outside prosecutors to do these kind of investigations. i think the reporting of the wall street journal is really relevant. we have not expected enough. we have not held police officers accountable enough for fully reporting on these n counters. what i found heart breaking is not just what happened to gardener garner is his angst and abuse. so many can bear witness to that, we are harassed, followed, criminalized and menaced every day thaand that gives rise to t frustration, which makes it hard for to you act perfectly when confronted by a police officer who says you're not acting
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right. we have to explain that to the grand jury. >> so eloquently put. it is so important to focus on the fact rksz you know, we are looking at a videotape of a man who is terrified, fearful, he's taking his last breaths on earth as his life is extinguished at the hands of the very people who have been tasked with protecting him. that is a travesty of justice and that is why this is not a black or white story. this is a story of america and institutional failure in america. we have to take a break and will have more on the grand jury decision. stay with us. [ male announcer ] are you so stuffed up, you feel like you're underwater?
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engage in demonstration, we will gear with contingency that might occur. >> that was mayor responding to questions about police preparation ahead of the grand jury decision in the death of eric garner. we got word the grand jury decided not to indict the police officer who put a choke hold on garner which led to his death. we are already seeing protester gather outside the store where the fatal confrontation took place. chairman let me ask you first, ferguson obviously divided this country along political lines, to say nothing of the racial lines. i want to read two reactions.
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that's one side. peter king rights this. >> is this different from ferguson? do you think chairman? >> no i think this is part of the same narrative. the same linear story as far as i'm concerned. i appreciate peter king's position and agree with it. we very much appreciate the protection and role the police play in our communities but there are very bright lines that have begun to appear over the
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last 18 to 24 months and it tells us a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich, well clearly a black man's life is not worth a ham sandwich which is what you get when you put these two decisions together. it begs to at least get to the jury of the individual's peers so we as a community can go through the process and begin the healing and begin to take a more open look at our criminal justice system. this type of decision make that's very hard to do. >> i want to echo the chairman and say, the nypd is not on trial. our police force here is larger than the fbi and thousands of them do this work to keep us safe. they could it bravely and honestly. >> i want to ask you. dana, in terms of how this
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splits parties, do you think this ends up being, there has been as we all well now a lot of back and forth, democrats and conservatives on the issue of ferguson, do you think this, the eric garner case is as devisive. >> you wouldn't want the to say anything good has happened here today but if there is a silver lining it is because this is so different from ferguson it won't is split the country in the same way, it will actually unite the country. the country is basically split but if you divide it along race there is a lop-sided margin of whites in support of the grand jury decision and lop-sided support of african-americans against it. given the facts thf case i think you won't see the same sort of racial division. you will see a lot of white americans say okay maybe now we
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understand what you're talking about. maybe now there will be more strength behind the movement. not on the body cameras but on getting actual statistics on police violence as you discussed earlier and will give some actual effect to this task force which the president just happened to have announced. >> to your point about new york city, it is sure to split. i mean this city is very much divided along racial lines and the subject of the nypd is a contentious one in the city and the legacy of police brultbrutality is one new yorkers have deal ed with but stanton island is different. >> yeah stanton island is --
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basically a more assertive policy that's to get in and stop people early they try to limit that and say let's not stop everyone. over 85% of minorities were getting stopped. so -- as for the national analysis. i'm not so sure. it's an open judgment it's very early we'll see what people think. i think the nypd is different from other police forces, people look up to, they remember it as a strong police force, 9/11, think that's why an open trial would have been important. we could have talked about whether the police officers behave was over the line or not. a choke hold in and of itself violates nypd rules.
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>> how much stock do you put in leadership to solve some of these problems. we talked earlier about the state leadership fell shore the of the mark in preparing the community, working with the community to heal and otherwise managing the case. new york city is different. we talked about mayor and the governor. ly read bill's full statement. that is a far less aggressive response than what we saw in ferguson. >> yeah and if you are young black boy you want to the know who will change this. you don't want your children to
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be at risk because they are young or black. the question becomes who will help address these issues. i think it is important for political leaders like the mayor and governor to number one express sympathy. the garner family was victimi d victimized. that man is dead. it's a tragedy. secondly it is worth talking about, what is reasonable behavior. everybody, yes, has a respect for the police department to some level. they have pour. they have power. that doesn't mean you can't be critical. my view is to whom much is given, much is expected. when the police abuse their power they have to be held accountable. i think it was important the police department immediately issued a statement saying we are still investigating whether this police officer violated our rules because they are trying to protect the integrity of the
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department. by saying we know some of our officers mess up. they're not blind to that of and finally, the response you seen, different from ferguson, to treat people as insurgents, as terrorists that was the message that so under mind the people in ferguson. >> in terms of republicans leadership response, rand paul i thought had one of the best and strongest responses in the wake of ferguson but i don't hi it convinced his colleagues to address numerous facets, whether criminal justice system, race relations, whether it is pleasing and weaponization of american police officers, this is a different case, but who do you look to to look up the mantle and how does it change
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the republicans leaders. >> the party will do what it needs to do. i look to guys like rand paul and others who have spoken in the past and will in the fult you're to be . >> the past and in the future to be part of that grip. we need to not in just political terms but social fabric. who we are as americans. >> thank you my friend. for your legal expert ease -- we will have more after the break. police in ferguson, missouri are now considering charging michael brown's step father. that's just ahead. ring ring! progresso! i can't believe i'm eating bacon and rich creamy cheese before my sister's wedding well it's only 100 calories, so you'll be ready for that dress uh-huh... you don't love the dress? i love my sister... 40 flavors. 100 calories or less.
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showing demonstrators in protest of last week aegs grand jury decision in ferguson, missouri. this protest comes as police in st. louis say they whether they will investigate the step father for insighting riots. police will investigate this indent that took place immediately after the announcement of the grand jury's decision not to indict officer wilson for the death of unarmed teen brownmichael brown. in a statement today he apologized said his emotions got the best of him. now joining me both for joining me. justin, let me start with you.
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in terms of missouri law, does this argument that mr. head may have insighted riots, does that seem to hold water? >> i think when you look at the idea of the incitement of a riot you have to look at selective prosecution. on the video jackson seemed to intentionally try to incite unrest so this idea of selecting michael brown's step father for the incitement of riot prosecution seems like a selective prosecution and it speaks to a vendetta against michael brown and his family. >> in terms of missouri law it specifically forebids rioting if the person knowingly assembles
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with six or more persons and agrees with those persons to violate any of the criminal laws of the state. i think you would be hard press in that video to see michael brown's step father agreeing with people to incite violence, i don't know. how do you read that? >> i didn't see that. i don't see him agreeing with anyone to incite violence. anyone who looks at the context only minutes of the decision of not to indict the killer of your child, anyone would agree he had a great deal of emotion he was dealing with at the time. so the idea of prosecuting michael brown's step father seems like a vendetta to me. >> one would think even the potential prosecution would be adding earth know match to an already roaring fire in ferguson. >> this is it a provocative pact. there are clearly no elements of
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that law met on the videotape. yet we have a police department willing to pursue charges. if we step back and look at what darren wilson said after the grand jury decided not to indict. darren wilson said he wouldn't do anything differently. we have to examine and absorb the awfulness of that statement. what that means is, he is saying, you know what, if i had to it to do over again, i would have never gone to work that day, then this child wouldn't have died, even though i felt i had a right to kill him, this would never have happened. he said, i would do nothing. yet when this other step father of michael brown expresses his rage after being told that the person who he believes killed his child is not going to have to face any justice, how is it
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inappropriate? it's almost like saying african-american people have to disconnect themselves from humanity. i suggest to you, i -- i offer to you, that what parent in america if they had a camera in their face at the worse possible moment in their life is that they are told that the person who they believe killed their child was not going to have to suffer anything, what parent in america wouldn't say, burn it down? what parent wouldn't say, i want him dead? it's rage. the question is, what did he do with that rage? and what he did with that rage was to express it. that's as american as could possibly be. he did not commit any crime. he did not satisfy any of the willme elements for and yet law enforcement is saying we're going to go after him anyway despite the fact we know none of the elements of inciting a riot
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are there. that's awfa awful. >> let me give getzlaf -- >> what does this say about the legal justice system in this country. >> two things to think about, one we see the same process that took place in ferguson happening in the grand jury in stanton island that is the misuse of the grand jury, a process that was designed to get probable cause, misused, dozens of defense witnesses brought, and that has become a tool that prosecutors can use across the country. >> i have to interrupt you because the president is addressing the grand jury's decision in the death of eric garner let's listen to what he has to say. >> interacted with an individual named eric garner in new york
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city. all of which was caught on videotape and speaks to the larger issues that we've been talking about now for the last week, the last month, the last year, and sadly for decades. and that is, the concern on the part of too many minority communities that law enforcement is not working with them and dealing with them in a fair way. and there's going to be, i'm sure, additional statements by law enforcement, my tradition is not to remark on cases where there may still be an investigation. but i want everybody to understand that this week in the wake of ferguson we initiated a task force whose job it is to come back to me with specific
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recommendations about how we strengthen the relationship between law enforcement and communities of color and minority communities that feel that bias is taking place, that we are going to take specific steps to improve the training and work with state and local governments when it comes to pleasing in communities of color. that we are going to bes careful when investigating when concerned about the accountability that is taking place. as i said, when i met with folks both from ferguson and law enforcement and clergy and civil rights activists, i said, this is an issue that we've been dealing with for too long and it's time for us to make more progress than we've made.
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i'm not interested in talk. i'm interested? action. i'm absolutely committed as president of the united states to making sure that we have a country in which everyone believes in the core principle that we are equal under the law [ cheers and applause ] so i just got off the phone with my attorney general eric holder, will he have more specific comments about the case in new york. but i want everybody to know here as well as everybody who may be viewing my remarks here today, we are not going to let up until we see a strengthening of the trust and a strengthening of the accountability that exists between our communities and our law enforcement. i say that as someone who believes law enforcement has an
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incredibly difficult job. that every man and woman are putting their lives at risk to protect us. they have the right to come home like we do from our jobs. that there's real crime out there that they have to tackle day in and day out. they are only going to be ablt to do their job if everyone has confidence in the system. and right now unfortunately we are seeing too many instances where people just do not have confidence that folks are being treated fairly. in some cases those may be misconceptions but in some cases that's a reality. and it is incumbent upon all of us as americans, regardless of race, region, faith, that we recognize this is an american problem and not just a black problem or a brown problem or a
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nativive american problem, this is an american problem, when anybody in this country is not being treated under the law that's a problem and it's my job as president to help solve it. [ cheers and applause ] now, when i visited the crow nation of montana i was a candidate of this office and made it a point it immediate with tribal leaders as often as i could -- >> is that was president obama at the white house trial nation conference making remarks about the grand jury decision not to indict police officer in the death of stanton island man, eric garner. we have a whole cast characters, in terms of the president's remarks, measured but i think he
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has moved a little bit more towards the side of the families who have seen their sons and father killed in recent days and months, how do you see him negotiating what is clearly tricky territory? >> well it is tricky territory but this man is uniquely positioned as our first black president to tackle this issue and this could be a huge legacy issue for him at this point in his second term which let's face it not a lot of other things are alive in terms of his agenda so it is good to see him coming out and speaking on this forcefully and quickly. just as he did after the grand jury decision in the brown case. i'd like to see a lot more than just naming task forces and to see him speaking about this in ferguson, in new york, all around the country, and trying to forge a consensus.
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>> one thing this week was a white house push to allocate federal matching funds for state and local law enforcement that want to provide police officers with body cameras. we know a mayor in new york announced nypd will now have body cameras. but here we have a video of a man being put in the choke hold and subsequently someone dieing and the video, the footage appears to make no difference. what do you think of the juxt position. >> i think ha that is something we're still going to zodiscover. i was talking about evidence coming to light in those place where's they do have police wearing body cameras it not only
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impacts how the police respond but how people approach the will police. they are far less aggressive. they don't want at this strig trigger to be used against them. we will see how it plays out. i appreciate what the president had to say but i feel it is too generic. yes it is an american problem and we all get that, we are all in this together, but this is a unique, young black male problem, i think there has to be real drill down specifics in that conversation when we start talking about race that helps us confront that reality not from a generic perspective but from the perspective of young black men being raised in this country right now. >> i want to follow up on that, liz, the president is a black
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man, and there's a lot of talk whether he should be speaking more to young black men for the injustices they face. what did you think of his comments? >> i think it is wonderful that the president made the comments that he did. i think being the first president to name victims of crimes like lithis. i don't even know that the president at the time emmitt til was murders was ever named. he is doing historical things. this is the first president to speak about race before he became president, while he was running, against the advise of his advisors, he had a speech about the issue of race. it's a powerful thing. here particularly in ferguson, in st. louis, in missouri, it's wonderful for the president to
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talk about that but here we need to talk about the absence of all the other elected officials. we don't have a claire senator. how many times has she been to the studio to talk about this? we need to address things also. and our political leadership is completely missing in action. it's not simply that the president needs to do this, local elected officials need to step up to the plate and involve themselves in an issue that is about race, about police brult brutality they need to step up and engage on this horrible problem. >> these are two common stories with a lot of common threads.
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how confident are you in the ferguson commission's ability to create change within the legal and justice structure in the state of missouri? >> well, i think the possibility for change is there. i think this is a disaster for the president's idea for this problem being solved through body cams. if someone killed your child and someone said well give them a camera and training, i don't think you would be happy with that. i think accountability is the best word the president used. without those accountability structures implemented, whoever will step up and take the reigns they have to think accountability first and foremost. >> thank you all for your time
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and thoughts. joining me now congressmen. let me ask you this, i thought your remarks are very important considering this country's struggle with race and slavery. what do you think of commissioner overseeing the police force in a very tumultuous time. >> bill black didn't bring slaves into this country, bill didn't branton doesn'tp run around saying whites are superior. this is the disease of the country has. bill is just a grain of sand on the beach as it relates to this problem. when we recruit people they have to understand we are all human beings. this is a cancer that is a side
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of america. it won't be dealt with by just dealing with one or two of the nation's police chief. we need our clergy, politicians, our president, we need patriots to make this country all that she can be. >> it seems like an unfinished script as to whether or not other police officers involved with this may see some kind of indictment. would you like to see follow through on that front? >> well i think there has to be follow through. i think is important for other police officers to stand up and speak up because this is not a good decision for them either. this makes their jobs as joe krouly said in our press conference more difficult to do. because here you have a camera that clearly shows what took place and it puts folks all across america. you know, it should say, as it took place in the 60s in the civil rights movement. you had bull conner who were beating up black folks, those cameras caused america to rise.
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we hope that america will rise. peacefully as took place back then. frds peacefully but all over america, the good voices of everybody mass to stand up and say no more. we want to make sure there is justice for all. injustice anywhere is a threat to justice anywhere, as the great dr. king has said. >> most of the police officers are good and dedicated police officers. >> let me ask you, what do you say to new york city residents who have lived through decades of questionable police tactics, excessive force and now a justice system that doesn't seem to treat everyone equally. what do you say to the people of this city at this particular moment. >> new york city has very understanding people, we have
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had atrocities, people not only killed by choke hold but people shot in their car on the eve of their wedding. people getting shot down everywhere. we roipg only a handful of people poisoning. it is very difficult to tell them in this country that all young men are created equal. that's why the new york delegation, we call upon the justice department not just to look at this as a police problem, this is a national problem. clergy should be speaking out. all good people should be speaking out. it is our kids today, it could be your kids tomorrow. >> congressmen are you confident in the way the da handled this? >> no i'm not. that's why i asked for complete transparency. one would say the grand jury
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process is a closed process, the da needs to expose all the transcripts so we know what the questions were and how the witnesses were treated. sfor me being a a former prosecutor, when you go before a grnd jury you ask for an indictment. i would like to know at the conclusion of his case that he presented to the grand jury, did he ask that grand jury for an indictment on one or multiple charges. that needs to be known. we need that kind of transparency so everyone can be clear. otherwise i shrug my shoulders, because i can't believe looking at the tame hpe how a juror cou come back with absolutely no charges. >> the only way they could do that is if they believe the victim committed suicide. >> i that i is a hard thesis to
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come by in terms of people accepting it. have you or anyone in the new york congressional delegation spoken with the mayor or governor about their immediate thoughts on is this no true bill. >> we know the mayor met earlier this week with the president so we're hoping we can meet with him, the police commissioner, to see what we as a delegation can do. but make no mistake about it, this is a national problem. we're embarrassed but it's a national problem. around could basically be internation. we go all over the world talking about violation of human rights. and we can't explain to nor owners how this could happen in the great country of america.
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>> de blasio was disappointed. i think he understands because when he looks at his son he knows his son could be victimized by something like this. so i think in regards to the mayor and the statement that he's made, it's an excellent statement and i look forward to working together but it doesn't just stop with new york city. in is a national issue. we got to confront from east coast to west coast from north to south, it's an america problem we got to fix. >> i agree. >> it is indeed an american problem. thank you both for your time. >> thank you. >> that is all for now. i will see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is continuing our coverage next. >> good evening americans and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york, let's get to work.
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>> we renew the call for the department of justiceis to step in today. >> another closely watched grand jury decision involving a police officer. >> sources say there will be no indictment in this case. >> an improper choke hold was the factor of the death of eric garner. >> they treated him worse than an animal. >> we have a case mere on video. >> we have a indicates hecase h >> the grand jury has been looking at evidence. >> they wanted a different and better relationship with the police. >> if ferguson wasn't a wake up call, this case better be. >> this has to stop. ♪ ♪

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